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with where someone's hands were cut off for identification?

A. None that I recall.

Q. When you send in fingerprints with the FBI back in 1975,

a person has to look at the fingerprints and compare them with

other fingerprints to see if they are the same, isn't that


A. Would you mind restating that question?

Q. I would be happy to. When you sent in fingerprints back

in 1975, with the technology that was available in 1975, you

had to know of a set of fingerprints that they could be

compared to to see if they were a person's fingerprints, did

you not?

MR. MANDEL: I object to this as beyond the scope

and not within this witness's expertise.

THE COURT: Sustained.


Q. When these hands were sent in to determine the

identification, do you know if any information was forwarded

along that they might be Ms. Anna Mae Pictou-Aquash's hands?

A. Well, I did not prepare a communication, but in my own

mind I am certain there was no information like that sent in.

Q. Incidentally, were you involved in taking a metal

detector out to the scene to try to see if there were any

bullets or anything like that?

A. No, sir.

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MR. RENSCH: Thank you, nothing further.

THE COURT: Redirect.

MR. MANDEL: No, Your Honor.

THE COURT: Thank you, Mr. Dealing, you may step

down. Call your next witness.

MR. MANDEL: United States would call John Munis,

Your Honor.


called as a witness, being first duly sworn, testified and

said as follows:


Q. Sir, could you state your name, please?

A. John Munis.

THE COURT: How do you spell it?

A. M-U-N-I-S.

THE COURT: Thank you.


Q. What's your current occupation?

A. I am retired.

Q. What are you retired from, sir?

A. From the Federal Bureau of Investigation.

Q. Were you a Special Agent with the bureau?

A. Yes, I was.

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Q. What years did you serve in that capacity, sir?

A. From 1968 to 1996.

Q. As part of your duties were you at any time assigned to

work out of the Rapid City resident agency?

A. Yes, from 1975 until 1978.

Q. As part of your duties during that time period, sir, did

you become involved in the investigation of the death of an

individual later determined to be Anna Mae Pictou-Aquash?

A. I did.

Q. Can you tell us, sir, how you first became involved in


A. February 25 of 1976 I was on the reservation. I was at

the Bureau of Indian Affairs law enforcement office and was

notified that an autopsy was being conducted at the Pine Ridge

hospital. I conferred with the resident agency in Rapid City,

South Dakota of the FBI, and was instructed to go over to the

autopsy and retrieve any items of evidence that may be


Q. Did you do so then?

A. I did. I went to the autopsy momentarily. I met there

with a Dr. Brown who was doing the pathology, and also with

Nate Merrick, a criminal investigator for the Bureau of Indian


Q. Can you tell us what took place then at that autopsy?

A. I was only in the autopsy a very short time. After

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seeing the condition of the deceased, I left the autopsy, went

back and made a call to Rapid City and also to the FBI

laboratory in Washington, D.C. conferring with these people

concerning the condition of the body, and what the best method

would be to obtain fingerprints from the deceased.

Q. As you observed it, sir, what was the condition of the


A. It was in a very decomposed state.

Q. Particularly what did you observe regarding the hands,


A. The hands were in a shriveled manner so that the fingers

were more or less closed.

Q. After conferring with the lab, did they give you an

indication of what course of action you needed to take to

obtain fingerprints?

A. They did. They said to request from the pathologist

that the hands be removed and submitted to the lab so that

they could do an analysis and attempt to get fingerprints.

Q. Did the pathologist then remove the hands?

A. He did.

Q. Did you ultimately end up with custody of those hands?

A. I did. I took, custody of the hands went from the

pathologist to the criminal investigator, Mr. Merrick, and

from Mr. Merrick to me, and I took them back to Rapid City the

following day and they were submitted to the FBI laboratory.

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Q. What fashion were they submitted, how were they handled,

were they treated in any particular way?

A. Yes, I was instructed to put each hand in an individual

container and add a ten percent formaldehyde solution.

Q. How did you obtain that solution, if you recall?

A. Pardon?

Q. How did you obtain the solution?

A. I don't have specific recollection. I believe I got it

from one of the hospitals in Rapid City, but I don't recall

specifically where I got it.

Q. In any case, then you packed the hands in that and

transmitted them to the laboratory?

A. That is correct.

Q. Sir, did you have any other involvement in the

investigation of this case?

A. No, I did not.

MR. MANDEL: Thank you very much.

THE COURT: Cross examine.


Q. Who was responsible for the clothing that was on

Ms. Pictou-Aquash?

A. Who was responsible for the killing?

Q. The clothing?

A. Oh, for the clothing. The clothing was also removed,

and I received the clothing and hair samples at the same time

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I received the hands.

Q. What clothing did you take into custody as evidence?

A. There was a dress, a pair of moccasins, a bra, a pair of

underpants, I believe that was all.

MR. RENSCH: Nothing further, thank you.

THE COURT: Any redirect?

MR. MANDEL: Yes, Your Honor.


Q. Agent Munis, I have handed you an FBI report, I am going

to ask you if you recognize that document?

A. I do.

Q. Is that a report that you prepared?

A. Yes, it is.

Q. Is that the transmittal report that went with the

clothing you sent in to the FBI laboratory?

A. Yes, it is.

Q. Does viewing that refresh your recollection as to what

was sent in on that date?

A. This does refresh my recollection, yes.

Q. Can you tell us what was sent in then, sir?

A. A jacket, blouse, blue jeans, pair of shoes, pair of

socks, panties, hair, and it doesn't mention the hands.

Q. The hands would have been a separate transmittal?

A. Yes.

MR. MANDEL: No further questions. Your Honor.

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Q. Agent, I am going to hand you another report from the

Federal Bureau of Investigation dated March 1st of 1976 and

ask you to look at the paragraph concerning the clothing that

was taken from Ms. Pictou-Aquash. Tell us what, if that

refreshes your recollection about the clothing that was taken?

A. This is a document that you provided to me referred to

as an FB302, and this is my notes concerning the items that I

obtained at the time that the autopsy was being conducted.

And on my notes I listed that there was one pair of hands

removed from the body of an unidentified female Indian during

the autopsy that was being performed by Dr. Brown. There was

clothing that had been removed from the deceased which

consisted of one pair of Indian moccasins, bra, panties,

overalls, shirt, overcoat and also hair samples.

MR. RENSCH: Nothing further.

MR. MANDEL: Nothing further.

THE COURT: You may step down. Call your next


MR. McMAHON: Dr. Garry Peterson.


called as a witness, being first duly sworn, testified and

said as follows:

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Q. Would you state your name, please?

A. Garry, G-A-R-R-Y, Peterson, P-E-T-E-R-S-0-N.

Q. Where do you live, Mr. Peterson?

A. I live in Minneapolis, Minnesota.

Q. Your occupation is what?

A. I am a physician, I am a doctor of medicine.

Q. Dr. Peterson, do you have a particular specialty?

A. I am a pathologist, and within that specialty I practice

forensic pathology.

Q. Could you just give us a brief description of what

forensic pathology is?

A. I can. Pathology, the larger field, is one of the

medical specialties, and it has basically two subcategories;

anatomic pathology and clinical pathology. Anatomic pathology

deals with the study of disease, that's really what the word

means, from actual anatomic inspection. So it involves areas

such as performing autopsies, looking at surgical specimens

under a microscope, those sorts of things where there is an

actual anatomic either naked eye or microscopic examination

for the most part. Clinical pathology is the laboratory area,

and clinical pathologists usually head a hospital laboratory

and serve as consultant to hospital physicians in ordering and

interpretation of tests. Forensic pathology is a special area

in pathology. The word forensic comes from the Latin word

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forum, which was the Roman courtroom. And the term is applied

because forensic pathologists are often involved in clarifying

medical or scientific questions that come up in the courtroom.

Most pathologists work in a coroner's office or medical

examiner's office and investigate sudden or unexpected death.

Q. Would you give the jury a brief review of your medical


A. I grew up in Minneapolis and went to Minneapolis public

schools, and went to college at Hamlin University in St. Paul

and University of Minnesota. After college I went to medical

school at the University of Minnesota Medical School from 1965

to 1969. Following that I had a year as a rotating intern at

St. Paul Ramsey Hospital, now called Regents Hospital, but it

is the city-county hospital in St. Paul. Then I took three

years of my five year pathology training at that hospital in

clinical and anatomic pathology. The fourth year I took a

year of forensic pathology at the Hennepin County medical

examiners office in Minneapolis. That's the office that

covers Minneapolis and the surrounding suburban areas. Then

following that I had one more year of clinical and anatomic

pathology at Hennepin County Medical Center, that's the city

county medical center in Minneapolis. So I finished that

training in 1975 and went in to practice in pathology in

St. Paul. And for the first four years I was in practice I

went to night law school at William Mitchell College of Law in

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St. Paul and finished that in 1979, and after that stopped

taking formal college courses.

Q. Are you board certified?

A. I am board certified in clinical, anatomic, and forensic

pathology, all three areas.

Q. Do you currently work?

A. I am the Hennepin County Medical Examiner, chief medical

examiner of the county, and I am finishing what will be my

fifth term, my fifth four year term. At the moment I am on

leave without pay, but I still am the medical examiner and

still administer the office, but in a budget solving movement

I forwent my pay. So I am working, but not working full time

as I was a few months ago.

Q. What is the medical examiner?

A. The medical examiner heads the office that is the

successor to the coroner's office, Hennepin County once had a

coroner's office. The office is charged with two major types

of death investigations. Non-natural deaths, the accidents,

suicides and homicides that take place in a community. And

then the sudden unexpected deaths, or deaths where there is

not a doctor in attendance who might be in a position to sign

a death certificate. Just by way of example, in Hennepin

County we have something in the range of 32 or 33 hundred

cases reported to us. So investigating those cases, working

with and supervising a team of doctors who work in the office

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and investigative personnel is basically what my career has


Q. Is one of the things that you do is to conduct


A. Yes, it is.

Q. I am going to refer you back to 1976. Were you

contacted to come to South Dakota to observe an autopsy?

A. I was, yes.

Q. Would you explain how that contact took place?

A. There is an attorney in St. Paul by the name of Kenneth

Tilsen, and I had been involved in a case with him, I don't

remember the specifics of it, and I suppose he knew me from

that. But he called at one point and said would you be

available to go to South Dakota and basically serve as an

observer, there is going to be a second autopsy performed in a

very significant or important case, and there would be an

interest in having somebody just be there to observe and be

able to comment on things. And I thought to myself it would

be a very worthwhile thing to do. I was just done with my

training and I thought, I didn't know who would be doing the

second autopsy, but I assumed it would be someone, maybe

someone even I knew, because it is a fairly small specialty

nationally, a chance to observe and see how someone else did

it, and to keep my eyes open and mouth shut was the way I was

approaching it.

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Q. Did you end up coming to South Dakota?

A. I did. I got a call I think on March 10th of that year

from Mr. Tilsen who said can you be on an airplane, it was

just a matter of hours I had to get ready. So I got I guess

some coverage at the hospital where I was working at the time,

and came out here that evening.

Q. Did you go to the Pine Ridge hospital?

A. I did the following morning, yes, and went down to the

hospital there.

Q. Instead of observing did you end up conducting the


A. I did. I kept asking who was going to be arriving to do

it, and after a short time I guess you are it, so I was the

one who did it. I came expecting to observe, I ended up being

the person doing the case.

Q. Tell me, that would have been on March 11, is that


A. That's right.

Q. 1976?

A. Yes.

Q. What did you find on your initial exam of the body?

A. The body was fairly poorly preserved, there was a great

deal of powdered preservative that was on the body. The

deterioration was fairly substantial, and as I examined the

body I asked to have some X-rays taken. In examining the body

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I noticed there was some seepage from the back of the head.

Q. What portion of the head?

A. Excuse me?

Q. What portion of the head was this?

A. It was showing in the back of the head, and I felt with

my fingers on the side of the head, I felt something firm on

the left temple area, and about that time the person I had do

the X-rays came in and so X-rays were taken at that point.

Q. Were there any X-rays available from the first autopsy?

A. No, there were none.

Q. What did the X-rays reveal?

A. The X-rays revealed a metal projectile in the head area

where I felt something.

(Exhibit 31 & 32 marked For identification.)


Q. Dr. Peterson, I have handed you Exhibits 31 and 32. Can

you identify those, please?

A. These appear to be the X-rays that were taken that day,

or reproductions of them, and they do show the projectile.

MR. McMAHON: I offer Exhibit 31, Your Honor.

MR. RENSCH: No objection.

THE COURT: Exhibit 31 is received.

MR. McMAHON: And 32.

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MR. RENSCH: No objection.

THE COURT: Exhibits 31 and 32 are received.


Q. Now Doctor, I have Exhibit 31 on the screen. Can you

explain what we are looking at there?

A. This is a front view of the head, it shows basically the

bones of the skull. On the right side of the X-ray, actually

it's turned on its side, but would appear to be the right,

actually the left side of the individual, is a bright white

area, that is a projectile. It is lead, and as a result it

doesn't allow X-ray beams to go through it so the film doesn't

get exposed there, that's why it is white as opposed to being


Q. I have drawn a circle around it, is that what you are

talking about?

A. That's the item, yes.

Q. Was that a bullet?

A. Yes, it was.

Q. So that would have been located in the front left?

A. Right in the left temple area.

Q. Now I have put Exhibit 32?

A. And that is a side view. There is some jogging of the

top of the skull, that's because it had been opened at the

first autopsy. In the left temple area is another view, a

side view of that same intense white object which is again the

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Q. Is that the bullet?

A. That's it right there. You have to look carefully,

because there is some white there from the bone, but the

bullet is there. It gives I think a good depiction of where

the bullet lay.

Q. Did you remove the bullet?

A. Yes, I did.

Q. What did do you with the bullet?

A. I gave it to an FBI agent, Mr. Wood.

(Exhibit 30 marked For identification.)


Q. Doctor, I have handed you what has been marked Exhibit

30, can you identify that, please?

A. That is a picture of the bullet that has the sequential

number I used on my cases at that time, and of the scale that

I used. So this is the, a photograph of that projectile.

Q. Is that a photograph that you took during the autopsy?

A. Yes, it is.

MR. McMAHON: Offer Exhibit 30, Your Honor.

MR. RENSCH: No objection, Your Honor.

THE COURT: Exhibit 30 is received.


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